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this is very interesting to read. I think you are absolutelty right, the dangerous questions are now being asked so virus posts are popping up more and more- especially with the latest 80% death in mice paper and nonsense https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/peer-reviewed-articles-are-not-published

I was also called insane today and linked in a post out virus deniers! https://pete843.substack.com/p/virus-denial-is-a-form-of-mass-formation

I am glad you decided to write on sub stack welcome

Jo

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Thank you for the welcome! I've enjoyed your substack for a while now.

My spider senses are a bit aflame of late with all the "viruses are real" posts coming out so fast one after the other. It's almost like -- or maybe is that -- orders came from on high to do a full-court press in advance of upcoming jab and mask mandates or of something worse.

It's to your credit to be called insane by whoever it is that wrote all that rubbish about "virus denial" (another term of propaganda, probably cooked up in Pfizer's PR labs [their only labs that do good science]).

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heeheehee yes they're good at PR that's for sure and all this virus realism is for a reason- winter is coming.

I thought it quite funny and an honour to be singled out by a post for reading the actual papers and engaging in scientific discourse. Which seems to be as unwelcome and likely to get you censored in health freedom as it was before in the mainstream. Plague chronicle has never replied to me, but I haven't had the honour of being blocked for 100 years!!!

Thank you for reading my posts and for your kind comments, fabulous to connect with someone else in touch with their tingly spidey senses

Jo

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The thing is, if you assert that the SARS-CoV-2 virus does not exist and does not cause symptoms of disease, then you also assert that the GOF NIH/Wuhan laboratory experiments are a complete red herring, that the 'spike protein' does not cause any clinical symptoms either in the vaccinated or infected (because it doesn't exist), neither does the virus or its spike evoke an inflammatory immune response etc. etc. The list goes on. In essence, you are forced to construct an entire new plausible narrative and dismiss a huge body of published clinical research - from those pushing the Covid/vaccine narrative AND those very many medical experts challenging it - with regard to the events of the last nearly three years. I do not think that any of the virus sceptics have done that to my knowledge.

But having said that, I reel against censorship of any kind and feel that if you cannot accommodate somebody's views, if you disagree with them and cannot fruitfully debate with them after having become frustrated trying to do so, then you just ignore them, which is perhaps the best policy, rather than deleting their comments.

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It's an interesting question. Here are my guesses:

- Sars-Cov-2 doesn't exist.

- "The spike protein" from it therefore also doesn't exist.

- But proteins exist and can probably be engineered and maybe even arranged such that the body makes them. So there may be a toxic protein being made in the body that is being called "the spike protein" with no evidentiary basis, but it's being called that for Hollywood reasons (spikes, and images of medieval maces, are terrifying).

- All viruses, as infectious agents, are fake.

- Thus, gain-of-function is better called gain-of-fiction.

- The gain-of-fiction money was used, and I'm guessing here, (1) to keep Chinese labs and scientists on the acting payroll for when the psyop was ready to go (think of the people falling over on the street and others in spacesuits nearby, all a Hollywood production not seen anywhere else in the scamdemic); and (2) to trial the jabs far away and to make sure that they were poisonous enough (but not 100% or even 1% lethal, as the eugenics would be too obvious).

- The jabs are toxic maybe because of some toxic proteins but also because of the lipid nanoparticles that bioaccumulate in key organs and maybe also because of graphene.

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There is a theory, proposed by Marc Girardot, that the spike protein plays very little role in the vaccine adverse effects, that it's the lipid nanoparticles which do all the damage. We therefore don't need to propose the existence of the specific SC-2 spike protein in this case. But this doesn't explain the damage allegedly caused by the spike protein following infection, which is quite distinct from other respiratory diseases. Peter McCullough, one of the world's foremost cardiologists, is convinced that it is the SC-2 spike protein being manufactured in the bodies of vaccinees, which is causing much of the damage and he has read and contributed to an awful lot of scientific papers. If you maintain that there is no specific SC-2 spike protein, which obviously does not form part of a non-existent SC-2 virus, you are forced to basically dismiss all of McCullough's work in this area, including autopsies of dead people who have died from heart inflammation/blood clots etc. Not just dismiss his findings, but prove that they are completely in error. That's a tough ask.

https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/spike-protein-triggers-coronary-plaque

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the spike protein definelty exists, it's a protein of between 132 and 230 KDa. there is just no evidence that it comes from an entity or is spike shaped https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/spikes-and-knobs

I don't speak for Sanjoy of course but all the work on effects of vaccines, if the mRNA produces the p180-200 (the chosen length for the jabs) it is already known that this protein causes inflammation. all the work on cardiac etc effects is valid . If the damage is nanoparticles as well that also makes complete sense.

Jo

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Thanks for that!

I don't buy the bat virus, but I do know that there are people other than me (mostly women) who are sensitive to the 'spike' protein generated by the jabbed.

Not sure why people have to believe the whole pcr bat virus thing must be true if the jab spike is true.

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You're very welcome,

Yes, bandying about (passing on or discussing (an idea or rumour) in a casual or uninformed way) the names of proteins is just another way of adding legitimacy to the fantasy. Like in story telling, putting in concrete details, makes the tale more believable and interesting.

Also people say there are antibodies (proteins that bind to other proteins) there must a disease. It just means that there are proteins which bind to other proteins. https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/if-viruses-dont-exist-what-about if you haven't seen it'!

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here is a plausible narrative for Covid https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/seeing-is-believing

Jo 😺

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The Orwell quote at the end is too true a description, whether of the Fauci Take-the-clot-shot Party or if the Kirsch/Lyons-Weiler/etc. Believe-in-the-power-of-the-virus Party.

They can all get stuffed.

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Hi again Jaime,

yes of course the GOF research aka getting $million in grants to play around with RNA sequences in bat poo, with 'understanding more about viruses so that we can fight them' as the only ( and non measurable) end point is a red herring. they have lied about everything else, why not this.

How stupid do they think we are that we'll believe they accidentally released a half finished virus with tell tale restriction sites in it. I thought we has also established that 'SARS' presents no threat to the unvaccinated under 70's anyway. not some much of a Frankenstein monster

Jo

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Hello Jo,

If, as you maintain, the spike protein definitely does exist, but the virus doesn't, we are presented with the following conundrum:

The same antibodies are created by the body against the spike introduced via the vaccine and via symptomatic 'infection'. Antibodies distinct from the spike antibodies, directed against the nucleocapsid region of the virus which doesn't exist, are also elicited via natural infection, but not through vaccination. How do you explain this?

How do you explain the unique cardio-vascular symptoms experienced by a minority of severely ill Covid patients, attributed to spike protein damage, which are also seen after vaccination, albeit often more severe in the case of the latter, and which are also attributed to circulating spike damage to blood vessels and organs?

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Hiya Jaime,

thanks for replying!

for a start 'antibodies' do not fight 'infection' . It is well established from the Enders and Peebles study on 'measles' in 1954 and many after that they are produced in the convalescent phase of an illness (up to 30 times titre) so they do not fight anything. they appear to be involved in returning the body to balance after the detoxification period.

the 'spike protein' p132-230 is produced by cells under stress and was mistakenly thought to be a viral protein, and is also produced in the body to induce the symptoms of detoxification -known as an infection. If the vaccine does produce p180-200 via mRna or the stress of the vaccine itself produces it , either way antibodies are present to the 'spike' to damp down its effects and return the body to homeostasis.

Other antibodies that bind to other proteins such as the one called the nucleocapsid (though never shown to be) are also involved in the detoxification known as infection, so of course will be detected. These are not of course produced by MRNa for p180-200 so serum of the vaccinated don't appear to have them.

One can't say that the unique- cardio vascular symptoms are attributed to one thing. These minority of people may have been treated with drugs, may already be on drugs, may have been in areas of pollution, radiation, EMF, they cannot be said to be caused by p132-230 unless this was a randomised placebo controlled trial, and even then will several caveats.

Just like the unique symptoms of loss of taste, myocarditis and other symptoms are not 'unique' or new symptoms. It's just that we are looking for them and therefore notice them. I think that's part of the hoax. Taking heart cells etc and adding stressed cell cultures, thought to be containing the virus, but in fact producing the stress proteins such as p132-230 but also many others, will of course cause damage and inflammation to the heart cells.

Yes the vaccine damage may be due to the production of p180-200 which is known to be involved in the instigation of inflammatory processes in the body. It is not meant to be expressed all around the body so will cause severe illness and damage to blood vessels and organs.

Hope this helps.

It also helps me get my thoughts in order.

Jo

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"It's just that we are looking for them and therefore notice them."

A very important point (doubly so when we are not only looking for them, we are told not to look for anything else).

When I was a teenager, my parents upgraded their car from a fading Honda Civic to a used Volvo (safer on the icy Pittsburgh, PA roads). In the very next week, I saw so many Volvos on the road and wondered why so many others had also bought Volvos. Eventually I realized the cause.

For the same reason, and conceding for a moment that pandemics are even real, counting deaths due to a pandemic disease during a pandemic had been verboten in public health. It was too easy to overattribute deaths to the newly famous cause

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yes, well said. 🚙

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hi Sanjoy, we've got another lab leak!!! I've updated my post and used your line as a new title https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/peer-reviewed-articles-are-not-published

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The crazy seems to be ramping up all around. It's great that you've commented on it over on eugyppius's latest post. (I've "liked" the comments, which is about all I can do over there.)

My next post is, I think, going to be a short one on why I think that fighting the virus fraud outright is humanity's best hope.

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Hiya,

you are right the crazy is ramping up and yes I think the virus fraud is the key that brings the whole lot down.

It is very frustrating when those who see some things clearly then fall for the most ridiculous stories of half finished viruses leaking and causing Frankenstein flu like symptoms

Onward and upward Sanjoy!

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Jo

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I don’t agree with you yet about viruses but I am open to all arguments and have subscribed on the advice of Good Citizen. FREEDOM AND FREE SPEECH!!

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The 100 years thing just sounds childish and petty. I guess you must have really gotten under his skin. The more he engages in the whole practice of arguing with his audience, the less I'm a fan. Not that he cares one iota. But I bet it's becoming a turn off to other people.

I don't think anyone is looking for another source to re-validate the broken establishment. Seems like Eugypious wants to be that guy.

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subbed via RSS so I don't show up in your subscribers, but looking forward to anything else you care to opine on. Cheers!

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Glad to hear it! (I don't worry about subscriber numbers at all.)

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That's good, but I feel the need to encourage you regardless. ; )

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It seems describing the fraud of virology is a banning offense over on that substack. Here's another substacker who was banned for it:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/on-eugippius

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So? what will happen if people are allowed to freely speak on ANY social media about any thing? 1) Will the jabs become harmless? 2) Will the jabs get upset, pick up their syringes & leave in a huff? 3) Will citizens become magically imbued with enough courage to act to save their own children without Daddy-Government's permission?

Look at how utterly irrationally devoid of logic the premise here is: "if we Speak Freely, some Great Force For Good (GFFG) will come solve all of our problems for us."

Can ANYONE here grow tf up?

Whatever the reason, be it pure greed http://allaregreen.us/ or anything else, the people on that list are NEVER going to come rescue us. So; Who tf ELSE are you waiting for? & what happens while you wait? Does http://allaregreen.us/ look like your GFFG? Is your GFFG peopled by those who deliberately cripple & kill children for Laughs & Profit? Is THAT the GFFG that you are all waiting for to react & come save you all?

This continues until WE, the only people who know what's going on & actually care take action. Preferably legal & non-violent, & preferably anonymously in the crucial first steps needed to amass more public support than they can block or ignore.

Or, y'know, just wait for Daddy-Superman or whoever tf you're waiting for & watch more children die. That ALWAYS SUCCEEDS at passing on taking any adult responsibility if nothing else.

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PCR testing has been used for a very long time and while it has limitations to it, I completely disagree with saying "they've misused this test, therefore this diagnosis is fake" - which is essentially your argument.

There was much discussion about flu cases dropping and that was explained quite early on that coronaviruses out-compete influenza viruses, so when the dominant virus remained a CoV, there just wasn't much influenza. All the claims that masking prevented flu (while claiming that Sars 2 was circulating because people hadn't masked hard enough) were all just fodder for the treadmill of media lies.

I didn't bookmark the charts when I saw them a few years ago but there is actual science out there about how CoV viruses have a host advantage and tend to replace influenza.

Personally, I think the debate about the PCR or the realness of the pandemic distracts away from the bigger conversations that are needed - should government have that power over their citizens, EVER? Is there a disease bad enough that government should take whatever steps they can and force their will on the individual? Are people inherently unable to make good decisions for themselves? My answers are no, no, and no. And unless THOSE topics are addressed, the PCR etc is a moot point to discuss because if you proved PCR useless, they'd just find another test.

The validity of PCR ultimately doesn't matter because governments search for ways to take power from citizens and as long as they can manipulate the public into giving up their natural rights, then there is a problem. It doesn't matter whether you think the virus is real or not. Or whether you think they should be using a different test method. Or anything else - what really matters is, are you ok with government taking away your freedoms because they said so? We can have that discussion without arguing about irrelevant things.

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I agree with you about governmental powers. I'm an emergency-powers absolutist. I don't think that they are ever justified. "If you give the government the power to break laws in an emergency, they will create 'emergencies' to break the law."

And the US Constitution is based on that principle. It has no provision for suspending the Constitution or for emergency powers outside of the Constitution. The only like provision is the clause allowing the suspension of habeas corpus in times of invasion or rebellion. (And it doesn't include invasion by viruses, even real viruses, which are hard, I'd say impossible, to find!)

So all of the suspension of rights that have been going on during this whole Convid fraud is all unconstitutional.

On PCR, my argument is not that "they've misused the test, so this diagnosis is fake." It's that the test, with its lack of validation against a clinical gold standard, is a complete fraud. So, there's no evidence of anyone being sick with Covid based on the test. And there's no other diagnosis of Covid except PCR (and related tests, like rapid-antigen tests, with the same fundamental fraudulence). So, it's just circular illogic.

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Anyone dumb enough to get an MRNA flu vaccine at this point, should only expect to the get the Darwin participation prize. We'll miss you.

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Substack can be...glitchy. Did he really ban you from commenting again?

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I'm sure that he did. Only on that one substack does my attempt to comment fail with the error: "You've been banned from commenting for 100 years."

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Dude, you can still find video talks by Kary Mullis on Odysee where he explains why the PCR MACHINES (there is no such thing as a "PCR test") can not be used to tell if a person has enough of a viral load to qualify as "infected." Simply put, these machines makes copies of what they are told to make copies of. If they find any in the sample they search.

If it finds one or if it finds fifty million, 1) it will not TELL YOU the amount it has found. It CAN'T. because 2) Its only function is to MAKE COPIES.

If all it needs to MAKE copies is to find one, we don't even know if it bothers searching for more if more exist. It's a photocopier of RNA sequences, not a tool that CAN measure the number OF them already present.

Just post the segments of the video(s) where he says this. The end.

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